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Post by soccerwing on Apr 16, 2017 0:45:13 GMT -8
Forewarning: I currently only have cards from Opus II and all 3 starter decks so if you have any suggestions for replacements, please indicate if it's from Opus I or II so I know if I need to wait or hunt.. or both lol I threw this deck together as I was the only one at my LGS running the starter decks at this point. Based on the pulls I got in my Opus II box I decided I wanted to run Vincent. Here is what I got FORWARDS: 25
Earth:Vincent 2-071L (2) Vincent 2-078R (3) Vincent 1-202S (3) Vanille 2-076R (2) Gabranth 2-081L (2) Yang 2-090R (2)
Dark Knight 1-092C (2)
Black Belt 1-099C (2)
Ice:
Rinoa 2-047L (2)
Squall 2-038H (1)
Zargabaath 2-034R (3)
Laguna 2-046R (1)
BACKUPS: 18
Earth:
Jessie 1-204S (3)
Raubahn 2-093H (2)
Monk 2-098C (3)
Monk 1-120C (2)
Ice:
Jihl Nabaat 2-037R (2)
Bard 2-032C (2)
Rinoa 2-048R (3)
Dark:
Zemus 2-148H (1)
SUMMONS: 7
Earth:
Golem 1-106C (2)
Ice:
Mateus, the Corrupt 2-044R (3)
Moomba 2-045C (2)
feel free to critique heavily. I am a terrible deck creator but open minded so any feedback is appreciated |
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Post by zafri on Apr 16, 2017 12:59:26 GMT -8
Looks like a solid start. Some suggestions if I may (feel free to disagree/ignore  ) 3 Jessie seems like a lot with no way to break it as the 2nd & 3rd can only be used to discard. However if you feel that finding your Vincents is the main objective then that could be a cost you are happy to live with. I like Machinist (Opus 2) as a 2 cost Earth backup that is breakable (thus freeing up space in your backup line) and can take out a whole host of opposing Forwards, even before they hit you (once that dull to attack). Zargabaath doesn't have enough hits for my liking. It looks like you can only put either Dark Knight or Vincent S into play with it, so that's only 5 cards and if you already have a Vincent in play, you might only have 2 possible plays with it. With the cards you definately have, I think i'd play Serah S over Zargabaath. I've been impressed by her discard ability, putting pressure on the cards in your opponents hands. I'd consider Carbuncle (Opus 2) in some number. Vincent is really worth protecting and once your opponent has to beat his built in protection, as well as the potential of Golem or Carbuncle, they might never be able to get him off the board. Running both the Forward and Backup Rinoa could be problematic. Once you have the backup one in play, you are locked out of playing the Forward one and the 2nd and 3rd copies are dead again. Something that could be interesting to help solve some of the things above and also give you more interaction with your opponents is Hecatonchier (Opus 1). This can deal with opponents good backups like Lulu or Zemus, but you can also use it to break your own backups so that you can use ones of the same name. Giving you the option of playing the second Jessie or Raubahn could be a nice option to have. Just a few thoughts |
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Post by soccerwing on Apr 17, 2017 21:47:24 GMT -8
i really appreciate the feedback thanks! for the Jessie, that was my purpose of going with all 3. My intentions are to grab legendary Vincent asap to get him into play and then use the remainder jessies for CP to be able to use Vincent ability. I was actually considering putting in Machinist but wasn't sure what for. One of the biggest problems I have is the ability to play test. Since it's only me in my household that plays this game, I can only play once a week (my work schedule is garbo) but that is going to change soon and hopefully i can find more people to play with outside the weekly tournament. I'll have to take a look and see if I got any Serah and read up on her. I might just do that once i look more into the cards. Ya know, funny thing is, I kept looking at Carbuncle and wanted to put him in, but I wasn't sure how often my forwards would be attacked by a summon. In your experience is if fairly common for a summon to be played that Carbuncle would be effective? LOL I just now realized that there are two types of Rinoa. I don't know how I didn't catch that not only typing out the list, but putting the deck together. Nice catch. I'll have to look throw my Ice cards again and see what I can use to replace the backup one, or maybe the forward since I don't have very many FFVIII forwards. I'll save that last recommendation for sure. I'm waiting patiently (but not really) for wave 3 of Opus I to be released so I can grab 1-2 boxes of that set. If it comes down to it, I may just have to buy some singles. I appreciate all the feedback. I'm gonna see how my deck plays this week and come back to this to see if I should be making immediate changes and taking your suggestions into consideration. As mentioned before, lack of being able to play test is my weakness right now but this helps me get an idea of what I can look forward too. |
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Post by zafri on Apr 18, 2017 8:05:09 GMT -8
I know how difficult it can be to find time to get testing in, life would be so much easier if we didn't have to go to work! You should have Serah as she was in the Ice starter deck, that's part of the reason I suggested her Carbuncle is at its best against Bahamut, as saving 2 Forwards is great, but so is countering their 9CP card with a 3CP card of yours. Both Odins are also good things to Carbuncle (although they don't hit Vincent L anyway). I probably wouldn't run the full 3 of them but having 1 or 2 (especially if you discard one early) can force your opponent to play carefully so they don't get blown out by Carbuncle, even if you don't have it  Yeah the lack of availability of Opus 1 must be really annoying for you. I'm sure in time it will settle down and it will be easier to get hold of, I hope so at least. I'm not sure what your schedule is like but if you ever want to try and get some practice games in on OCTGN then i'd be happy to play. I've stopped using it so much recently as i've found the experience less enjoyable with strangers (as it doesn't perfectly model every priority phase of a turn you need to be able to communicate together well and that's sometimes been difficult with strangers) but with people on the same wavelength it can be a lot of fun and useful to get some reps in with decks, especially as you can make quick changes as you go. |
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Post by valkyrie on Apr 18, 2017 23:42:18 GMT -8
you could always try out Weiss 2-025H which plays a free 3 cost ice forward and play Zargabaath which allows you too play free 3 cost other than ice so you get 3 forwards for cost of one
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Post by soccerwing on Apr 20, 2017 1:22:13 GMT -8
FORWARDS: 23
Earth:Vincent 2-071L (2) Vincent 1-202S (3) Vanille 2-076R (2) Gabranth 2-081L (2) Yang 2-090R (1)
Dark Knight 1-092C (2)
Black Belt 1-099C (1)
Ice:
Rinoa 2-047L (2)
Squall 2-038H (3)
Serah 1-195S (3)
Laguna 2-046R (1)
Dark:
The Emperor 2-147L (1)
BACKUPS: 20
Earth:
Jessie 1-204S (3)
Raubahn 2-093H (3)
Monk 2-089C (3)
Monk 1-120C (1)
Machinist 2-083C (2)
Ice:
Jihl Nabaat 2-037R (2)
Bard 2-032C (2)
Rinoa 2-048R (1)
Summoner 1-053C (2)
Dark:
Zemus 2-148H (1)
SUMMONS: 7
Earth:
Golem 1-106C (2)
Carbuncle 2-080C (1)
Ice:
Mateus, the Corrupt 2-044R (2)
Moomba 2-045C (2)
so I took my OG deck to the weekly tournament today but made a few tweaks with the help of your feedback. Still ended up not getting 1 win (not blaming your suggestions on my losses in any way shape or form btw) so no promo for me  BUT I did end up buying another box of Opus II just to see if I could get cards from the set I'm missing plus a few to help round off my deck. Ended up not pulling at least 1 more Legendary Vincent I was hoping for, but I was able to snag a few more cards that I felt would help my deck. Also took some suggestions from local players and long story short, edits can be found in my quote. Hopefully I do better next week and score a promo Still a few cards I'm iffy about but let me know if there are any other suggestions you'd like to make. I'd definitely be down to get some games in some time if our schedule works out! I've seen your posts on ruling as well so not only would I be getting reps in with my deck, I'll more than likely get clarity on rulings that didn't make sense to me haha. My schedule is a little wacky right now due to work in terms of hours and it getting ready to change again soon, but my days off for sure are Wednesday and Thursday. I'm in Arizona so right now I'm same time as California and not easily available on my work days since I'm not home until 9pm or so. |
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Post by valkyrie on Apr 20, 2017 1:28:50 GMT -8
I might be wrong but you would only be able to play either the emperor or zemus not both since you can only play one dark card on field you would be stuck with a card in your hand that you could never use or discard unless you were able to aquire dark chaos backup
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Post by soccerwing on Apr 20, 2017 1:41:10 GMT -8
you are correct. The choice for running 1 of each is more for situational purposes and to see how it plays with my local meta. Also because I don't have 3 Emperor otherwise I would run the one. I think if anything I can always works towards having 6 cards at the end of my turn to be forced to discard the 1 if needed.
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Post by zafri on Apr 20, 2017 7:40:29 GMT -8
Bad luck at your tournament but getting the practice in is always worth something. I definitely like the new list more, although I agree the potential issue with having both Dark cards could be a problem. I'm guessing you don't have any but if you could get your hands on Delita (1-112R) from Opus 1 he would be a nice addition which would help you with some of the possible problems. Being able to break a character when he enters is meant to be a drawback on him but if you use it get rid of Backups (or possibly Forwards) that you don't need anymore and want to play a second copy of, then you turn that drawback into an advantage. It could also be your way to get out of the Dark card problem, if you don't mind losing the one in play.
I'm in the UK so the days you are out till 9pm are probably not viable for me (I do tend to be up late but 5am is probably a bit much!). I can probably do Thursday evenings (afternoons for you) if that works for you?
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Post by valkyrie on Apr 20, 2017 14:16:16 GMT -8
Breaking Rinoa intenionally seems to be fairly popular which you could do with Deltia or Kefka im sure there are more options but those are the ones off the top of my head
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Post by soccerwing on Apr 20, 2017 23:56:14 GMT -8
Bad luck at your tournament but getting the practice in is always worth something. I definitely like the new list more, although I agree the potential issue with having both Dark cards could be a problem. I'm guessing you don't have any but if you could get your hands on Delita (1-112R) from Opus 1 he would be a nice addition which would help you with some of the possible problems. Being able to break a character when he enters is meant to be a drawback on him but if you use it get rid of Backups (or possibly Forwards) that you don't need anymore and want to play a second copy of, then you turn that drawback into an advantage. It could also be your way to get out of the Dark card problem, if you don't mind losing the one in play. I'm in the UK so the days you are out till 9pm are probably not viable for me (I do tend to be up late but 5am is probably a bit much!). I can probably do Thursday evenings (afternoons for you) if that works for you? One of the players at my local showed me Delita and also recommended I add that card into my deck. I'm really lacking without Opus I, but I'm definitely going to be getting 2 or 3 boxes on this 3rd wave to hopefully get what I need. That would definitely work. I may not be able to actually get games in for possibly a month though only because next Thursday is my birthday so I will be hanging with family and mixed with that I might be getting a new temporary position at work that may change my schedule again and I also need to find a new place to live as all my current roommates are moving out. As soon as everything settles down though I will definitely let you know! Breaking Rinoa intenionally seems to be fairly popular which you could do with Deltia or Kefka im sure there are more options but those are the ones off the top of my head That is actually the strategy 2 players at my LGS are trying to build a deck around. Seems like the state that the game is in, there is room for lots of creativity which is fun. |
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Post by zafri on Apr 21, 2017 0:37:12 GMT -8
Sounds like a plan. Let me know when you're able and we can set something up |
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BUT I did end up buying another box of Opus II just to see if I could get cards from the set I'm missing plus a few to help round off my deck. Ended up not pulling at least 1 more Legendary Vincent I was hoping for, but I was able to snag a few more cards that I felt would help my deck. Also took some suggestions from local players and long story short, edits can be found in my quote. Hopefully I do better next week and score a promo